Minutes - Business Committee


Meeting Venue: Online

Meeting date: 30 April 2024

Meeting time: 09.00 - 09.31


Remote / Private

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Attendance

Category

Names

Committee Members:

Elin Jones MS, Llywydd (Chair)

Heledd Fychan MS

Jane Hutt MS

Darren Millar MS

Committee Staff:

Graeme Francis (Clerk)

Yan Thomas (Deputy Clerk)

Others in attendance

Jane Dodds MS

David Rees MS, Deputy Presiding Officer

Manon Antoniazzi, Chief Executive and Clerk

Bethan Davies, Head of Chamber and Committee Service

Julian Luke, Head of Policy and Legislation Committee Service

Siân Wilkins, Head of Procedures and Parliamentary Skills

Lisa Griffiths, Procedures Clerk

Llinos Madeley, Clerk

Helen Carey, Welsh Government

 

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1       Introductions, apologies and substitutions

The Llywydd welcomed Members to the meeting.

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2       Minutes of the previous meeting

The Minutes of the previous meeting were agreed for publication.

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3       Organisation of Business

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3.1   This week's business

Tuesday 

The Trefnydd informed Business Managers of the following changes:

·         Statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Economy, Energy and Welsh Language: Tata Steel (45 mins) 

·         Proposal under Standing Order 12.24 to debate the following items together but with separate votes (30 mins):

o   LCM on the Victims and Prisoners Bill – motion 1postponed until 7 May

o   LCM on the Victims and Prisoners Bill – motion 2postponed until 7 May

·         Stage 3 of the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill (360 240 mins)

 

The Llywydd informed Business Managers that there will be a 10 minute break before Stage 3 proceedings commence.

 

 

Wednesday

·         Voting Time will take place before the Short Debate.

·         Plenary is unlikely to run past 7.10pm

 

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3.2   Three week timetable of Government Business

The Trefnydd informed Business Managers of the following changes to the Three Week Timetable of Government Business:

 

Tuesday 7 May 2024

·         Statement by the First Minister: Senedd at 25 (45 mins)

·         Statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs: Priorities for climate change and rural affairs (45 mins)

·         Proposal under Standing Order 12.24 to debate the following items together but with separate votes (30 mins):

o  LCM on the Victims and Prisoners Bill – motion 1

o  LCM on the Victims and Prisoners Bill – motion 2

 

Wednesday 8 May 2024

·         Debate: Stage 4 of the Senedd Cymru (Members and Elections) Bill (30 mins)

 

Tuesday 14 May 2024

·         Statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Education: Our national mission: delivering on Wales’ education priorities (45 mins)

·         Statement by the Cabinet Secretary for Climate Change and Rural Affairs: The future of farming in Wales (45 mins)

·         Statement by the Minister for Mental Health and Eary Years: Improving mental health in Wales (30 mins)

·         Statement by the Minister for Social Care: Our vision for foster care in Wales (30 mins)

 

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3.3   Three week timetable of Senedd Business

The following changes were agreed to the Three Week Timetable of Senedd Business: 

 

Wednesday 8 May 2024

 

·         Debate on petition P-06-1392: Reform of the additional learning needs Code of Wales 2021 (30 60 mins)

 

Wednesday 22 May 2024 –  

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4       Legislation

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4.1   Update on LCMs

Business Committee received an update on current LCMs and agreed to:

 

The Committee also noted the lack of time available for scrutiny of the LCM (Memorandum No 3) on the Victims and Prisoners Bill ahead of the Plenary debate scheduled for 7 May and agreed not to refer the LCM to a committees for scrutiny as a result. In doing so, Business Committee noted the unsatisfactory nature of this situation. The Trefnydd explained that due to the Government’s concerns about the Bill, they consider that the Senedd should consider it as soon as possible whilst the Bill is still in the amending stages at Westminster. The Trefnydd also highlighted that, as there is a high volume of amendments currently tabled at Westminster, a further SLCM will likely be tabled at a later date.

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5       Committees

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5.1   Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee - request for a debate slot

Business Committee agreed to schedule a debate on petition P-06-1407: We want the Welsh Government to rescind and remove the disastrous 20mph law on Wednesday 22 May.

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5.2   Letter from the Chair of the Equality and Social Justice Committee regarding their meeting on 17 June

Business Committee agreed to the request for the Equality and Social Justice Committee to meet earlier than its allocated slot on 17 June in order to accommodate an evidence session with the Cabinet Secretary for Culture and Social Justice, subject to all members of the Committee being content to do so.

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6       Procedural Work

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6.1   Job-Sharing for Committee Chairs

Business Committee considered a paper on job-sharing for committee chairs and agreed:

Heledd Fychan enquired as to whether the potential for enabling job sharing in other non-statutory roles could also be considered through this process. The Trefnydd stated that Business Committee would need to be clear in explaining the scope of this work, and the reasons for it, particularly with external audiences.

Darren Millar requested that consideration be given to whether this work should be taken forward by the Business Committee or the Reform Bill Committee, given the expertise that it has developed in related areas. He also noted the potential implications for backbenchers on scrutiny capacity if additional office holders are introduced through job sharing.

The Llywydd agreed that the Committee will return to these matters when considering the next paper on this subject.

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